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	<title>Comments on: Truly Sad &#8211; WordPress Censored in Turkey &#8211; Creationist Harun Yahya Involved</title>
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		<title>By: Abu AFak</title>
		<link>http://evolutionspace.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/truly-sad-wordpress-censored-in-turkey-creationist-harun-yahya-involved/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu AFak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Morreale shouted desperately:
&quot;HARUN YAHYA HAS REFUTED EVOLUTION AND IT IS TIME TO HUMILIATE IN PUBLIC THAT MUPPET DAWKINS WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIDING BEHIND THE SECULAR ESTABLISHMENT. 

WE ARE WAITING…&quot;

We are waiting too Joe. Waitng for some REAL evidnce to come from your creationist leader that isn&#039;t as faked as this:
http://purplekoolaid.typepad.com/my_weblog/the-skulls-that-make-harun-yahya-look-like-a-bonehead-and-fraud-huckster-hypocrite-etc.html

by the way Joe, if your leader really wanted to debate Dawkins he could have done so on the net. Instead of trying to get Dawkins banned. Which shows how scared Harun Yahya is of criticism. He&#039;s an ignorant  coward, not a messiah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Morreale shouted desperately:<br />
&#8220;HARUN YAHYA HAS REFUTED EVOLUTION AND IT IS TIME TO HUMILIATE IN PUBLIC THAT MUPPET DAWKINS WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIDING BEHIND THE SECULAR ESTABLISHMENT. </p>
<p>WE ARE WAITING…&#8221;</p>
<p>We are waiting too Joe. Waitng for some REAL evidnce to come from your creationist leader that isn&#8217;t as faked as this:<br />
<a href="http://purplekoolaid.typepad.com/my_weblog/the-skulls-that-make-harun-yahya-look-like-a-bonehead-and-fraud-huckster-hypocrite-etc.html" rel="nofollow">http://purplekoolaid.typepad.com/my_weblog/the-skulls-that-make-harun-yahya-look-like-a-bonehead-and-fraud-huckster-hypocrite-etc.html</a></p>
<p>by the way Joe, if your leader really wanted to debate Dawkins he could have done so on the net. Instead of trying to get Dawkins banned. Which shows how scared Harun Yahya is of criticism. He&#8217;s an ignorant  coward, not a messiah.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony north</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony north</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harun Yahyah (Adnan Oktar) and some of his cronies have been jailed for blackmail and sex with underaged girls. So even if he was able to debate Dawkins he is in prison. Oktar&#039;s morality is questionable. He seems to be using his cult, and Islamic beliefs, for criminal ends. As such his actions are insulting to muslims and he should be banned from the net in Turkey. Then we&#039;ll see how much he likes a taste of his own medicine.  

By the way  Joe Morreale is probably a pseudonym of Jamshed Kunnoth&#039;s. He is a crony of Oktar&#039;s that has an homo erotic fixation on his master.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harun Yahyah (Adnan Oktar) and some of his cronies have been jailed for blackmail and sex with underaged girls. So even if he was able to debate Dawkins he is in prison. Oktar&#8217;s morality is questionable. He seems to be using his cult, and Islamic beliefs, for criminal ends. As such his actions are insulting to muslims and he should be banned from the net in Turkey. Then we&#8217;ll see how much he likes a taste of his own medicine.  </p>
<p>By the way  Joe Morreale is probably a pseudonym of Jamshed Kunnoth&#8217;s. He is a crony of Oktar&#8217;s that has an homo erotic fixation on his master.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harun Yahya is a joke and so is the above post.  For a good laugh, check out his website &quot;criesofdarwinism.com&quot;.  If Yahya isn&#039;t afraid of Dawkins then why is he so adamant about censoring him?  Oh, and what is the probability of an even more complex and advanced &quot;creator&quot; that somehow came together to create life &quot;out of nothing&quot;?  Anyone care to explain in detail how that&#039;s supposed to work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harun Yahya is a joke and so is the above post.  For a good laugh, check out his website &#8220;criesofdarwinism.com&#8221;.  If Yahya isn&#8217;t afraid of Dawkins then why is he so adamant about censoring him?  Oh, and what is the probability of an even more complex and advanced &#8220;creator&#8221; that somehow came together to create life &#8220;out of nothing&#8221;?  Anyone care to explain in detail how that&#8217;s supposed to work?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Morreale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Morreale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Harun Yahya website:

WE CHALLENGE DAWKINS TO A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE PUBLIC 

Richard Dawkins, a most ardent supporter of Darwinism, has long accounted for the perfect creation of the universe in terms of the theory of evolution, which has lately suffered a global collapse. In his recent writings and interviews, however, Dawkins has started to express that &quot;life cannot form by chance.&quot; It is an absence of sense and reason to support evolution on one hand and to state that life cannot come about by chance on the other. That is due to the fact that according to the theory of evolution, which Dawkins supports, the existence of life is based on entirely random coincidences. 

Dawkins has realized that he can get nowhere with the scenario of chance. But, he is now in the logical impasse as he basically claims that &quot;evolution cannot be a result of coincidences, but has occurred by means of coincidences.&quot; What he should realize is that demagogy no longer works. 

If Dawkins sincerely believes in this theory, we&#039;d like to invite him to Turkey, or else we could come to UK to have a discussion. Dawkins should clarify hundreds of questions, only a few of which are listed below, before the cameras. So we, as well as the public, will be able to hear what he has to say. Obviously, it&#039;s no good to engage in unilateral programs. Moreover, with such an attitude Dawkins only deceives himself. Let us send the first 4 volumes of Atlas of Creation to Mr. Dawkins, and let him examine the photographs of the fossils therein which have not changed at all over the hundreds of millions of years. And let him account for them in evolutionary terms according to his much-publicized logicï¿½quot;if he can! 


Archeological researches unearthed over a hundred million fossils, proving that life forms were created out of nothing. Still, there is not a single transitional fossil supporting the theory of evolution. If Dawkins is sincere in his claim, he should bring a transitional fossil and announce it to the public as &quot;a transitional form!&quot; 
The odds against a functional protein emerging randomly is 10950 to 1ï¿½quot;a practical impossibility. (In mathematics, probabilities smaller than 1 over 1050 are accepted as &quot;zero probability.&quot;) If Dawkins is honest, he should point at a mass of proteins that formed by chance or by means of the methods he espouses. Let Dawkins explain us how he can account for the origin of life in evolutionary terms, when even a single proteinï¿½quot;the building block of lifeï¿½quot;cannot form by chance! 
Let Dawkins explain us how all colorful, lively, three-dimensional and perfectly clear images, shortly life itself, can form in the pitch dark human brain and who sees this image in the brain! 
Let Dawkins explain us in evolutionary terms how conversations, music and all other sounds form in the sound-isolated brain; who listens to and enjoys these sounds, who knows their meaning, who reflects on them consciously and who answers back these sounds! 
Let Dawkins ask the same questions to us, and let us give our answers. Let us supply our evidence, and let him bring hisï¿½quot;if he has any. Then let the public decide who is right. We want the public to know on a larger scale how Darwinism is a false theory and how it is the greatest deception of the world&#039;s history. We are confident that the days are soon to come when people will laugh, asking themselves &quot;How could we ever believe this theory?&quot; In near future, people will be wondering with amazement how they could ever have been taken in by it. In fact, this is already occurring, at an ever-increasing momentum. World-wide polls reveal statistical data proving this state of affairs. 

Darwinism, tried to be kept alive by engaging in demagogy and propaganda, has been refuted in all spheres and it is now widely recognized that it&#039;s no longer possible to defend Darwinism by demagogy. Dawkins&#039; recent statement along the logic that &quot;evolution cannot be a result of coincidences, but has occurred by means of coincidences&quot; is nothing but a laughable misery of reason. 

HARUN YAHYA HAS REFUTED EVOLUTION AND IT IS TIME TO HUMILIATE IN PUBLIC THAT MUPPET DAWKINS WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIDING BEHIND THE SECULAR ESTABLISHMENT. 

WE ARE WAITING...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Harun Yahya website:</p>
<p>WE CHALLENGE DAWKINS TO A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE PUBLIC </p>
<p>Richard Dawkins, a most ardent supporter of Darwinism, has long accounted for the perfect creation of the universe in terms of the theory of evolution, which has lately suffered a global collapse. In his recent writings and interviews, however, Dawkins has started to express that &#8220;life cannot form by chance.&#8221; It is an absence of sense and reason to support evolution on one hand and to state that life cannot come about by chance on the other. That is due to the fact that according to the theory of evolution, which Dawkins supports, the existence of life is based on entirely random coincidences. </p>
<p>Dawkins has realized that he can get nowhere with the scenario of chance. But, he is now in the logical impasse as he basically claims that &#8220;evolution cannot be a result of coincidences, but has occurred by means of coincidences.&#8221; What he should realize is that demagogy no longer works. </p>
<p>If Dawkins sincerely believes in this theory, we&#8217;d like to invite him to Turkey, or else we could come to UK to have a discussion. Dawkins should clarify hundreds of questions, only a few of which are listed below, before the cameras. So we, as well as the public, will be able to hear what he has to say. Obviously, it&#8217;s no good to engage in unilateral programs. Moreover, with such an attitude Dawkins only deceives himself. Let us send the first 4 volumes of Atlas of Creation to Mr. Dawkins, and let him examine the photographs of the fossils therein which have not changed at all over the hundreds of millions of years. And let him account for them in evolutionary terms according to his much-publicized logicï¿½quot;if he can! </p>
<p>Archeological researches unearthed over a hundred million fossils, proving that life forms were created out of nothing. Still, there is not a single transitional fossil supporting the theory of evolution. If Dawkins is sincere in his claim, he should bring a transitional fossil and announce it to the public as &#8220;a transitional form!&#8221;<br />
The odds against a functional protein emerging randomly is 10950 to 1ï¿½quot;a practical impossibility. (In mathematics, probabilities smaller than 1 over 1050 are accepted as &#8220;zero probability.&#8221;) If Dawkins is honest, he should point at a mass of proteins that formed by chance or by means of the methods he espouses. Let Dawkins explain us how he can account for the origin of life in evolutionary terms, when even a single proteinï¿½quot;the building block of lifeï¿½quot;cannot form by chance!<br />
Let Dawkins explain us how all colorful, lively, three-dimensional and perfectly clear images, shortly life itself, can form in the pitch dark human brain and who sees this image in the brain!<br />
Let Dawkins explain us in evolutionary terms how conversations, music and all other sounds form in the sound-isolated brain; who listens to and enjoys these sounds, who knows their meaning, who reflects on them consciously and who answers back these sounds!<br />
Let Dawkins ask the same questions to us, and let us give our answers. Let us supply our evidence, and let him bring hisï¿½quot;if he has any. Then let the public decide who is right. We want the public to know on a larger scale how Darwinism is a false theory and how it is the greatest deception of the world&#8217;s history. We are confident that the days are soon to come when people will laugh, asking themselves &#8220;How could we ever believe this theory?&#8221; In near future, people will be wondering with amazement how they could ever have been taken in by it. In fact, this is already occurring, at an ever-increasing momentum. World-wide polls reveal statistical data proving this state of affairs. </p>
<p>Darwinism, tried to be kept alive by engaging in demagogy and propaganda, has been refuted in all spheres and it is now widely recognized that it&#8217;s no longer possible to defend Darwinism by demagogy. Dawkins&#8217; recent statement along the logic that &#8220;evolution cannot be a result of coincidences, but has occurred by means of coincidences&#8221; is nothing but a laughable misery of reason. </p>
<p>HARUN YAHYA HAS REFUTED EVOLUTION AND IT IS TIME TO HUMILIATE IN PUBLIC THAT MUPPET DAWKINS WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN HIDING BEHIND THE SECULAR ESTABLISHMENT. </p>
<p>WE ARE WAITING&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: h3nry</title>
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		<dc:creator>h3nry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bekir for pointing out my mistake on the EU status of Turkey. 

In general I agree with you that the issue mainly concerns with freedom of information on the Turkish court ruling, how WordPress handled the complaints and finally the underlying cause of the entire issue - the battle of ideology.

&quot;Burning blanket for a flea&quot; - I like that. My sympathy goes out to all the Turkish people who are affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bekir for pointing out my mistake on the EU status of Turkey. </p>
<p>In general I agree with you that the issue mainly concerns with freedom of information on the Turkish court ruling, how WordPress handled the complaints and finally the underlying cause of the entire issue &#8211; the battle of ideology.</p>
<p>&#8220;Burning blanket for a flea&#8221; &#8211; I like that. My sympathy goes out to all the Turkish people who are affected.</p>
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